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		<title>By: Tim Ottinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Ottinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 20:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some quick helps here: http://agileinaflash.blogspot.com/2011/04/rules-for-distributed-teams.html  which may be more brief than you wanted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some quick helps here: <a href="http://agileinaflash.blogspot.com/2011/04/rules-for-distributed-teams.html">http://agileinaflash.blogspot.com/2011/04/rules-for-distributed-teams.html</a>  which may be more brief than you wanted.</p>
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		<title>By: Distributed Agile: communication and common ground — Mathemagenic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Distributed Agile: communication and common ground — Mathemagenic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the holidays I somewhat took a break from blogging on our work on the distributed Agile case, but there are still quite a few things there that I wanted to share to hear what do you think. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Shrunken communication in distributed teams (the egg of communication : — Mathemagenic)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shrunken communication in distributed teams (the egg of communication : — Mathemagenic)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] promised &#8211; more thinking from our project looking at the challenges in distributed Agile teams. One of the first things we have observed was a heavy focus on goal-oriented communication between [...]</description>
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		<title>By: marcevers (Marc Evers)</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcevers (Marc Evers)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mathemagenic (Lilia Efimova)</title>
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		<dc:creator>mathemagenic (Lilia Efimova)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rickladd (Rick Ladd)</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Joshua Wold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Wold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lilia - you might be interested in a blog series some of devs are writing on Agile.  We&#039;re a distributed (Syd, SF, Poland) Agile shop making Agile tools and so when our devs talk about how they use Agile, they share experiences related to how they do Agile as distributed teams.  

http://bit.ly/6CLQGo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lilia &#8211; you might be interested in a blog series some of devs are writing on Agile.  We&#8217;re a distributed (Syd, SF, Poland) Agile shop making Agile tools and so when our devs talk about how they use Agile, they share experiences related to how they do Agile as distributed teams.  </p>
<p><a href="http://bit.ly/6CLQGo">http://bit.ly/6CLQGo</a></p>
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		<title>By: Barry Camson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Camson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lilia, I am currently reading a case study that I think will be informative with regard to your questions regarding Agile and distributed teams. It appeared in MIS Quarterly, Vol 25, No 2, June 2001. It is entitled: &quot;Radical Innovation Without Collocation: A Cast Study at Boeing-Rocketdyne&quot; Authors are: Arvind Malhotra, Ann Majchrzak, Robert Carman, Vern Lott. Your materials on Agile are very interesting. By the way, Socialtext uses Agile development approaches. Barry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lilia, I am currently reading a case study that I think will be informative with regard to your questions regarding Agile and distributed teams. It appeared in MIS Quarterly, Vol 25, No 2, June 2001. It is entitled: &#8220;Radical Innovation Without Collocation: A Cast Study at Boeing-Rocketdyne&#8221; Authors are: Arvind Malhotra, Ann Majchrzak, Robert Carman, Vern Lott. Your materials on Agile are very interesting. By the way, Socialtext uses Agile development approaches. Barry</p>
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		<title>By: Lilia Efimova</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lilia Efimova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua, Pierluigi, thanks for the comments! The point that I tried to make with &quot;designed for a co-located team&quot; is more about lack of articulation of what exactly happens in a shared space (because it just works and you don&#039;t really have to talk about it unless it disappeares :) As for the tools - I am with you here - there is a growing number of tools that can help with different aspects usually happening in face-to-face settings, but we need more insight into how they actually work to match them with what Agile teams might need.

Joshua, do you have any pointers to what are the good practices of using wikis in Agile teams? Would love to read more on it.

Pierluigi, re: double-loop learning - helping teams to understand better where communication doesn&#039;t work and what to do about it is definitely part of our project. In any case, I tend to view research as &quot;holding a mirror&quot; that allows people we work with see their practices in a new light and to improve them.

[Still not done with a presentation on the whole thing for tomorrow, so unfortunately blogging about it will have to wait a little bit.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua, Pierluigi, thanks for the comments! The point that I tried to make with &#8220;designed for a co-located team&#8221; is more about lack of articulation of what exactly happens in a shared space (because it just works and you don&#8217;t really have to talk about it unless it disappeares :) As for the tools &#8211; I am with you here &#8211; there is a growing number of tools that can help with different aspects usually happening in face-to-face settings, but we need more insight into how they actually work to match them with what Agile teams might need.</p>
<p>Joshua, do you have any pointers to what are the good practices of using wikis in Agile teams? Would love to read more on it.</p>
<p>Pierluigi, re: double-loop learning &#8211; helping teams to understand better where communication doesn&#8217;t work and what to do about it is definitely part of our project. In any case, I tend to view research as &#8220;holding a mirror&#8221; that allows people we work with see their practices in a new light and to improve them.</p>
<p>[Still not done with a presentation on the whole thing for tomorrow, so unfortunately blogging about it will have to wait a little bit.]</p>
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		<title>By: Pierluigi Pugliese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierluigi Pugliese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lilia,

Thanks for your post and your interest in researching on this subject: there is still a lot of work to do about agile and dispersed team.

I have to disagree when you say agile was not designed for dispersed team: the principle you mention about face to face being the most effective way of communicating is, in fact, true in all kind of teamwork. The agile movement has simply started to openly talk about the issue - I saw many companies outsourcing their development trading resources offshore one to one without even thinking that there might be a communication penalty involved!

In traditional project management  a lot of emphasis is put on documentation as a way to communicate. Some process models like the German V-Model even define interfaces in terms of documents. But in fact, what they are doing in this way is to enforce a low-bandwidth common denominator for the communication which is still more inefficient than a quick phone conversation augmented by a short email summary.

The agile community has spotted the issue and is also trying to solve it through technologies partially already exploited in open source projects. There are a lot of collaboration tools widely used in agile project that address the problem of documenting casual communication (IM, electronic whiteboards, electronic Kanban boards, in-the-code documentation), making disperse teams possible (and an actual reality in several companies), though still suboptimal compared to co-located ones. 

On the top of that, if agile is implemented properly - i.e. as an adaptive system through an efficient double-loop learning, for example via retrospective and coaching - communication bottleneck will be identified and addressed. If the adaptation of the process involves a more formal interface through documents, well, let be it!

Be aware there is quite some discussion in the community about the meaning of the &quot;overs&quot; of the manifesto. The summary is that &quot;over&quot; could be read as &quot;is to be improved with higher priority than&quot;. 

I&#039;m eager to read your next posts about this!

Pierluigi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lilia,</p>
<p>Thanks for your post and your interest in researching on this subject: there is still a lot of work to do about agile and dispersed team.</p>
<p>I have to disagree when you say agile was not designed for dispersed team: the principle you mention about face to face being the most effective way of communicating is, in fact, true in all kind of teamwork. The agile movement has simply started to openly talk about the issue &#8211; I saw many companies outsourcing their development trading resources offshore one to one without even thinking that there might be a communication penalty involved!</p>
<p>In traditional project management  a lot of emphasis is put on documentation as a way to communicate. Some process models like the German V-Model even define interfaces in terms of documents. But in fact, what they are doing in this way is to enforce a low-bandwidth common denominator for the communication which is still more inefficient than a quick phone conversation augmented by a short email summary.</p>
<p>The agile community has spotted the issue and is also trying to solve it through technologies partially already exploited in open source projects. There are a lot of collaboration tools widely used in agile project that address the problem of documenting casual communication (IM, electronic whiteboards, electronic Kanban boards, in-the-code documentation), making disperse teams possible (and an actual reality in several companies), though still suboptimal compared to co-located ones. </p>
<p>On the top of that, if agile is implemented properly &#8211; i.e. as an adaptive system through an efficient double-loop learning, for example via retrospective and coaching &#8211; communication bottleneck will be identified and addressed. If the adaptation of the process involves a more formal interface through documents, well, let be it!</p>
<p>Be aware there is quite some discussion in the community about the meaning of the &#8220;overs&#8221; of the manifesto. The summary is that &#8220;over&#8221; could be read as &#8220;is to be improved with higher priority than&#8221;. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m eager to read your next posts about this!</p>
<p>Pierluigi</p>
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