Comments on: Cognitive Edge accreditation and SenseMaker workshop http://blog.mathemagenic.com/2009/09/17/cognitive-edge-accreditation-and-sensemaker-workshop/ Lilia Efimova on personal productivity in knowledge-intensive environments, weblog research, knowledge management, PhD, serendipity and lack of work-life balance... Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:52:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: #KM4Dev – Cynefin and dealing with complexity — Mathemagenic http://blog.mathemagenic.com/2009/09/17/cognitive-edge-accreditation-and-sensemaker-workshop/comment-page-1/#comment-25560 #KM4Dev – Cynefin and dealing with complexity — Mathemagenic Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:00:27 +0000 http://blog.mathemagenic.com/?p=2707#comment-25560 [...] from Cognitive Edge accreditation workshops Nancy White and me did an Open Space session to share with the participants of KM4Dev [...] [...] from Cognitive Edge accreditation workshops Nancy White and me did an Open Space session to share with the participants of KM4Dev [...]

]]> By: eduurland (eduurland) http://blog.mathemagenic.com/2009/09/17/cognitive-edge-accreditation-and-sensemaker-workshop/comment-page-1/#comment-24991 eduurland (eduurland) Fri, 02 Oct 2009 07:52:21 +0000 http://blog.mathemagenic.com/?p=2707#comment-24991 <strong>Twitter Comment</strong> <a href="http://twitter.com/eduurland" title="Twitter Comment" rel="nofollow"> <div class="ccimg1" title="eduurland (eduurland)" style="float:left;margin-right:10px;padding:0;width:60px;height:60px;"> <img name="cc_image" title="eduurland (eduurland)" style="float:left;margin-right:10px;padding:0;width:50px;height:50px;" src="http://purl.org/net/spiurl/eduurland"/> </div> </a> @mathemagenic Thx for blogging on your Cognitive Edge Accreditation Workshop experiences! [link to post]<br /><br /> - <a href="http://chatcatcher.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Posted using Chat Catcher</a> Twitter Comment


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]]> By: John Caddell http://blog.mathemagenic.com/2009/09/17/cognitive-edge-accreditation-and-sensemaker-workshop/comment-page-1/#comment-24716 John Caddell Sat, 19 Sep 2009 16:00:11 +0000 http://blog.mathemagenic.com/?p=2707#comment-24716 Lilia, I'm happy I discovered your blog via the Cog Edge Ning site. This quote from the post made me think a lot: "the methods are primarily intended to be used as instruments to serve some “centre” outside of the system, not the actors in the system." I think the raw material in a narrative database; i.e. ,the stories themselves, can be very helpful to actors in the system. The signifiers, often designed by folks looking to achieve a particular research objective, may or may not be. The idea of a "story bank" to which people could contribute and signify, as well as consume the content, could be useful in lots of circumstances, I think. The signifiers could be used to help one figure out where one wants to browse in the story bank; they would have to be created with this in mind. Sensemaker can do this, though the presentation interface to a story-banking audience may have to be different from the one tailored to a sensemaking project. Thanks again for your post. regards, John Lilia, I’m happy I discovered your blog via the Cog Edge Ning site. This quote from the post made me think a lot: “the methods are primarily intended to be used as instruments to serve some “centre” outside of the system, not the actors in the system.”

I think the raw material in a narrative database; i.e. ,the stories themselves, can be very helpful to actors in the system. The signifiers, often designed by folks looking to achieve a particular research objective, may or may not be.

The idea of a “story bank” to which people could contribute and signify, as well as consume the content, could be useful in lots of circumstances, I think. The signifiers could be used to help one figure out where one wants to browse in the story bank; they would have to be created with this in mind. Sensemaker can do this, though the presentation interface to a story-banking audience may have to be different from the one tailored to a sensemaking project.

Thanks again for your post.

regards, John

]]> By: Dave Snowden http://blog.mathemagenic.com/2009/09/17/cognitive-edge-accreditation-and-sensemaker-workshop/comment-page-1/#comment-24702 Dave Snowden Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:40:47 +0000 http://blog.mathemagenic.com/?p=2707#comment-24702 Agreed, I think you are coming more from an expertise perspective than a practitioner one. We have thought about a separate one day course on SenseMaker™ for people like you which I would run. We did set up a couple but there was not enough demand, but it may be time to rethink that. The standard course is very much that, its a standard course designed to be delivered by multiple people so its unlikely to be tailored to individual needs. If you have got specific questions etc then let me have them. I have a paper to write on this, a blog post or two and can record some podcasts. We know we have some work to do to translate the material and concepts to experienced researchers and all help is appreciated. I'm in Brussels and Amsterdam next week by the way if that is any help. Agreed, I think you are coming more from an expertise perspective than a practitioner one. We have thought about a separate one day course on SenseMaker™ for people like you which I would run. We did set up a couple but there was not enough demand, but it may be time to rethink that. The standard course is very much that, its a standard course designed to be delivered by multiple people so its unlikely to be tailored to individual needs.

If you have got specific questions etc then let me have them. I have a paper to write on this, a blog post or two and can record some podcasts. We know we have some work to do to translate the material and concepts to experienced researchers and all help is appreciated. I’m in Brussels and Amsterdam next week by the way if that is any help.

]]> By: Lilia Efimova http://blog.mathemagenic.com/2009/09/17/cognitive-edge-accreditation-and-sensemaker-workshop/comment-page-1/#comment-24701 Lilia Efimova Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:09:34 +0000 http://blog.mathemagenic.com/?p=2707#comment-24701 Dave, my points about "assumptions" were related to my perceptions on how things were presented during the workshop - I felt a mismatch between the "intended audience" and what my actual needs/interests were (all very subjective; and I'm not complaining since I got what I wanted by asking questions). I can imagine that asking a few questions about the participants background, questions and expectations prior to the workshop and then addressing those with the choice of examples, arguments and themes for the exercises would solve the problem. SenseMaker - my concern is that it was positioned primarily in respect to quantitative research, while I missed the discussion that would help positioning it in relation to the qualitative end of the spectrum (triad :). At the end I've got some kind of picture of the conditions when it makes most sense to use it. Not that CE doesn't have those arguments (e.g. <a href="http://www.cognitive-edge.com/blogs/michael/2009/05/how_do_you_make_sense_of_2000.php" rel="nofollow">post by Michael</a> discussing some of the qualitative issues), but I'd prefer them to be explicitly presented rather than having to tease this it out with questions. Theory - I looked for options for Narrative Research, but didn't see any suitable options relatively soon and relatively close. And, I wanted the methods too :) SNS: I have a few concerns with the method (at least how I "got" it during the workshop) - have to think more about it; will put it on the wiki then. Dave, my points about “assumptions” were related to my perceptions on how things were presented during the workshop – I felt a mismatch between the “intended audience” and what my actual needs/interests were (all very subjective; and I’m not complaining since I got what I wanted by asking questions). I can imagine that asking a few questions about the participants background, questions and expectations prior to the workshop and then addressing those with the choice of examples, arguments and themes for the exercises would solve the problem.

SenseMaker – my concern is that it was positioned primarily in respect to quantitative research, while I missed the discussion that would help positioning it in relation to the qualitative end of the spectrum (triad :). At the end I’ve got some kind of picture of the conditions when it makes most sense to use it. Not that CE doesn’t have those arguments (e.g. post by Michael discussing some of the qualitative issues), but I’d prefer them to be explicitly presented rather than having to tease this it out with questions.

Theory – I looked for options for Narrative Research, but didn’t see any suitable options relatively soon and relatively close. And, I wanted the methods too :)

SNS: I have a few concerns with the method (at least how I “got” it during the workshop) – have to think more about it; will put it on the wiki then.

]]> By: Dave Snowden http://blog.mathemagenic.com/2009/09/17/cognitive-edge-accreditation-and-sensemaker-workshop/comment-page-1/#comment-24689 Dave Snowden Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:13:50 +0000 http://blog.mathemagenic.com/?p=2707#comment-24689 Thanks for this useful feedback. A couple of points - there is a body of experience with methods and software in small organisations & NGOs - Methods can be used at any level, not sure why you see them as designed to serve a centre outside of the system. Most methods (SNS for example) empower the actors within this system. Ditto distributed cognition etc. - SenseMaker™ is a qual and quant tool in one so not on a spectrum, different way of thinking about the problem. Otherwise, the pure theory has moved to one day intensive classes that I still run, the accreditation is more practitioner focused Thanks for this useful feedback. A couple of points
- there is a body of experience with methods and software in small organisations & NGOs
- Methods can be used at any level, not sure why you see them as designed to serve a centre outside of the system. Most methods (SNS for example) empower the actors within this system. Ditto distributed cognition etc.
- SenseMaker™ is a qual and quant tool in one so not on a spectrum, different way of thinking about the problem.
Otherwise, the pure theory has moved to one day intensive classes that I still run, the accreditation is more practitioner focused

]]> By: jonhusband (Jon Husband) http://blog.mathemagenic.com/2009/09/17/cognitive-edge-accreditation-and-sensemaker-workshop/comment-page-1/#comment-24688 jonhusband (Jon Husband) Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:13:43 +0000 http://blog.mathemagenic.com/?p=2707#comment-24688 <strong>Twitter Comment</strong> <a href="http://twitter.com/jonhusband" title="Twitter Comment" rel="nofollow"> <div class="ccimg1" title="jonhusband (Jon Husband)" style="float:left;margin-right:10px;padding:0;width:60px;height:60px;"> <img name="cc_image" title="jonhusband (Jon Husband)" style="float:left;margin-right:10px;padding:0;width:50px;height:50px;" src="http://purl.org/net/spiurl/jonhusband"/> </div> </a> RT @mathemagenic recently blogged: Cognitive Edge accreditation and SenseMaker workshop [link to post] {great seminar IMO !<br /><br /> - <a href="http://chatcatcher.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Posted using Chat Catcher</a> Twitter Comment


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