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	<description>Lilia Efimova on personal productivity in knowledge-intensive environments, weblog research, knowledge management, PhD, serendipity and lack of work-life balance...</description>
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		<title>By: On research blogging &#171; Blog Archive &#171; visual.placodermi.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>On research blogging &#171; Blog Archive &#171; visual.placodermi.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] L. (2008) &#8220;Blogging research: attribution and ownership of ideas&#8221;  http://blog.mathemagenic.com/2008/07/10/blogging-research-attribution-and-ownership-of-ideas/ , retrieved Nov 2, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] L. (2008) &#8220;Blogging research: attribution and ownership of ideas&#8221;  <a href="http://blog.mathemagenic.com/2008/07/10/blogging-research-attribution-and-ownership-of-ideas/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.mathemagenic.com/2008/07/10/blogging-research-attribution-and-ownership-of-ideas/</a> , retrieved Nov 2, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: x28&#8217;s new Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; CCK08 Week 8: Validity</title>
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		<dc:creator>x28&#8217;s new Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; CCK08 Week 8: Validity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the subtle mutual influence of multiple authors, cannot be tracked like this. Some authors, such as Efimova, acknowledge the difficulty of proper attribution. Sometimes a major influence is contested. And [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the subtle mutual influence of multiple authors, cannot be tracked like this. Some authors, such as Efimova, acknowledge the difficulty of proper attribution. Sometimes a major influence is contested. And [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Punch Barrel / Information distribution and ownership</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Punch Barrel / Information distribution and ownership</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Mathemagenic &#187; Environment vs. personal choice? (re: attribution and ownership of ideas)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathemagenic &#187; Environment vs. personal choice? (re: attribution and ownership of ideas)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 09:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] all kinds of issues with publishing finished work. Just as I blogged a piece from PhD chapter on attribution and ownership, Carol reminded me of possible implications of doing so (via Facebook wall, so I&#8217;m not sure [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] all kinds of issues with publishing finished work. Just as I blogged a piece from PhD chapter on attribution and ownership, Carol reminded me of possible implications of doing so (via Facebook wall, so I&#8217;m not sure [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lilia Efimova</title>
		<link>http://blog.mathemagenic.com/2008/07/10/blogging-research-attribution-and-ownership-of-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-353</link>
		<dc:creator>Lilia Efimova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 09:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, you are right, many things are also true for the world beyond blogging. I think the difference that blogging makes is about the speed, the connectedness and the visibility in the blogosphere... Especially the last one: stuff that&#039;s used to be ephemeral part of a conversation is now pinpointed with permalinks. It&#039;s definitely creates the issue of content ownership if you work for hire (an organisation wouldn&#039;t have a way to grab what you say, but it&#039;s much easier with what you write and share outside of your desktop)...

Colleen, I share the attitude, but still have to deal with the environment :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, you are right, many things are also true for the world beyond blogging. I think the difference that blogging makes is about the speed, the connectedness and the visibility in the blogosphere&#8230; Especially the last one: stuff that&#8217;s used to be ephemeral part of a conversation is now pinpointed with permalinks. It&#8217;s definitely creates the issue of content ownership if you work for hire (an organisation wouldn&#8217;t have a way to grab what you say, but it&#8217;s much easier with what you write and share outside of your desktop)&#8230;</p>
<p>Colleen, I share the attitude, but still have to deal with the environment :)</p>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Making Sense Of New Technologies And Media: An Opinionated Digest by George Siemens - July 12 08...&lt;/strong&gt;

If you look at the fast changing media and at new emerging technologies you may be endlessly enchanted by the new ideas, capabilities and traits that each one integrates. At the same time, the more you closely follow such change......</description>
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<p>If you look at the fast changing media and at new emerging technologies you may be endlessly enchanted by the new ideas, capabilities and traits that each one integrates. At the same time, the more you closely follow such change&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Colleen Carmean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colleen Carmean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We stand on the shoulders of giants (Newton, then 1,000s of others with many meanings). And sometimes, one shoulder stands out and other times, its simply a part of the massive structure that makes for a foundation.
I think often its the same with meaning. The Blogosphere spins ideas so fast and furious that singular attribution becomes difficult.

In scholarly work, this compounds when you&#039;re &#039;encouraged&#039; NOT to use blogs in your citations.  I just finished my dissertation, and ...I did it anyway, as are many currently rejecting &#039;scholarly&#039; standards. But I&#039;m not sure how we can have it both ways, multiple ways, all ways. Share what you can, cite where you can, attribute freely. The whole is greater than the sum and ideas will always be ours regardless of how often they&#039;re repeated, improved, distorted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We stand on the shoulders of giants (Newton, then 1,000s of others with many meanings). And sometimes, one shoulder stands out and other times, its simply a part of the massive structure that makes for a foundation.<br />
I think often its the same with meaning. The Blogosphere spins ideas so fast and furious that singular attribution becomes difficult.</p>
<p>In scholarly work, this compounds when you&#8217;re &#8216;encouraged&#8217; NOT to use blogs in your citations.  I just finished my dissertation, and &#8230;I did it anyway, as are many currently rejecting &#8217;scholarly&#8217; standards. But I&#8217;m not sure how we can have it both ways, multiple ways, all ways. Share what you can, cite where you can, attribute freely. The whole is greater than the sum and ideas will always be ours regardless of how often they&#8217;re repeated, improved, distorted.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 03:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>on the one hand, I can certainly see the issues you&#039;ve describing becoming very problematic in terms of intellectual property and ownership of ideas. who owns ideas, and who&#039;s able to use them, is a super sticky issue that I think current intellectual property laws don&#039;t handle too well. I suspect part of the problem is that we try to treat ideas like property, like objects, when really they&#039;re something much more ephemeral.

however, I think the issues you&#039;re describing here go beyond just blogging. for example, Einstein develops the idea of special relativity while Poincare and a slew of other folks come up with something similar. Einstein goes farther to develop general relativity. whose idea is that? is it Einstein&#039;s, because only he came up with the general form of relativity? or does it partially belong to all the other mathematicians and physicists by whom Einstein was influenced? what about Leibniz and Newton with calculus? or people like C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien who directly collaborated and developed ideas together? questions about attribution of ideas when an individual has ideas because of being part of a collective exchange amongst a group of people definitely span beyond blogging. they&#039;re certainly interesting questions, mind you, and it may be that blogging (and blog reading) bring them to the fore, but I don&#039;t think they&#039;re confined to blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on the one hand, I can certainly see the issues you&#8217;ve describing becoming very problematic in terms of intellectual property and ownership of ideas. who owns ideas, and who&#8217;s able to use them, is a super sticky issue that I think current intellectual property laws don&#8217;t handle too well. I suspect part of the problem is that we try to treat ideas like property, like objects, when really they&#8217;re something much more ephemeral.</p>
<p>however, I think the issues you&#8217;re describing here go beyond just blogging. for example, Einstein develops the idea of special relativity while Poincare and a slew of other folks come up with something similar. Einstein goes farther to develop general relativity. whose idea is that? is it Einstein&#8217;s, because only he came up with the general form of relativity? or does it partially belong to all the other mathematicians and physicists by whom Einstein was influenced? what about Leibniz and Newton with calculus? or people like C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien who directly collaborated and developed ideas together? questions about attribution of ideas when an individual has ideas because of being part of a collective exchange amongst a group of people definitely span beyond blogging. they&#8217;re certainly interesting questions, mind you, and it may be that blogging (and blog reading) bring them to the fore, but I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re confined to blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: elearnspace</title>
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		<dc:creator>elearnspace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Blogging research: attribution and ownership of ideas...&lt;/strong&gt;

Lilia Effimova appears to have completed her PhD research and is actively blogging. She provides a thoughtful and critical voice to online communication. In a recent post she tackles the key challenge of attribution and idea ownership in blogs. The......</description>
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<p>Lilia Effimova appears to have completed her PhD research and is actively blogging. She provides a thoughtful and critical voice to online communication. In a recent post she tackles the key challenge of attribution and idea ownership in blogs. The&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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